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Yorktown Citizens for a DPW Ask for Vote on Concept for DPW, Not Finalized Plan

Yorktown Citizens Group for a DPW are calling supervisor Michael Grace's analysis of a DPW "misguided."

Yorktown supervisor Michael Grace on the department of public works (DPW) issue. He said he was opposed to creating an appointed DPW commissioner and called it "imprudent" to place a referendum on the November ballot.

In response to his statements, the grassroots organization proposing the change,  which has argued its proposed structural change could save hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars, issued a statement. They said his 10-page analysis was misguided and it contained errors.

(Read the original article titled "Yorktown Supervisor Grace: DPW Will Not Save Money" as well as Grace's entire analysis .)

You can read the entire statement provided by the Yorktown Citizens for a DPW below:

Supervisor Grace’s analysis of the proposed DPW referendum is misguided and contains numerous errors of fact.

Yorktown Citizens for a DPW is, and has been, asking that voters be given an opportunity to vote on the concept of a DPW, not a finished, set in stone, DPW organizational plan.

As , we are, and have always been, presenting the DPW as an organizational framework for the future that would enable the Town to deliver services more efficiently and save taxpayer dollars.

Regrettably, Supervisor Grace was not able to distinguish a concept plan from a full blown plan ready to be implemented tomorrow.

The committee never envisioned its role to be designing a DPW structure. That is the Town Board’s responsibility. But, when the Board asked us to come up with a plan of what a DPW would look like and how much money it would save, we did so, presenting two possible DPW scenarios—conceptual organizations only, definitely not a “plug and play” plan. We emphasized over and over again that if the referendum passed, the Board would have a full year to sit down with department heads, other employees and the public to work out the details of how the new department could be organized. If the voters approved the concept of a DPW by referendum, the Town Board would be in charge of designing a DPW structure that would best suit Yorktown.

Nevertheless, Mr. Grace persists in focusing on these two conceptual plans as if they were engraved in stone, meanwhile losing sight of the savings and efficiencies a DPW could offer Yorktown. And of course, once the board rejected the committee’s concept plan, the savings associated with the plan fell by the wayside. This doesn’t mean that a DPW wouldn’t save money; it only means that this specific plan might not be a good fit for Yorktown.

In fact, , and at a TV taping on August 3, Supervisor Grace said that he would consider a DPW IF it included the engineering function. That’s exactly what we have been saying all along; it’s up to the Town Board to design a DPW, not a citizen’s committee. Our function was to put the issue on the table and bring the concept to a referendum vote. Whether or not an engineering function is included in a DPW is an issue for the Board to decide; not the public in a referendum.

Supervisor Grace’s comment that a DPW would cost more money, citing the need to hire a deputy commissioner and “several” additional engineers has no basis in fact unless the Town Board’s DPW design calls for the additional hires. Once again, that would be the Board’s choice. If the supervisor has an alternate DPW structure in mind that requires this additional staff, he certainly hasn’t made it public. His comments also beg the question of why any town would want to create a DPW. Is Supervisor Grace suggesting that dozens of towns, cities and villages throughout New York State have lost money by switching to a DPW?

Mr. Grace’s statements about an appointed versus an elected highway superintendent also need to be addressed. The Committee made it clear, from the very beginning, that its focus was on improving efficiency and saving money and not personalities. Sadly, Supervisor Grace found it necessary in his analysis to bring up the personality issue. His comments were an insult to the two former supervisors he cited by name, as well as the other six members of the committee who devoted their time and energy on an issue that they believed would have a positive impact on their community.

As the Committee explained –on many occasions – our position was that the DPW should be headed by a person with professional skills and experience. For that reason, we recommended the elimination of the elected highway superintendent position because the only qualification to be highway superintendent is to be a resident of the Town of Yorktown. Even Supervisor Grace seemed to agree that a DPW should be headed by a professional.

It should also be pointed out that the committee never considered changing the highway superintendent from an elected to appointed position, because that change, by itself, would not create a DPW, and creating a DPW was, and continues to be the committee’s goal.

There are many other specific points in Supervisor’s Grace analysis that warrant a response either as misstatements, misconceptions, or opinions as opposed to fact. As always, the committee is asking for an open, thoughtful debate on the issue of a DPW for Yorktown. So far Mr. Grace has had his say. Now the voters should have the opportunity to give their input at a public hearing.

A DPW isn’t as complicated as the supervisor makes it out to be. Saving money by consolidation is common sense. 

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Yorktown Hall August 8, 2012 at 06:24 pm
The "tv show" mentioned above is Grace Notes, Supervisor Michael Grace's community affairs program. The current episode is dedicated to the DPW referendum proposal and his analysis of it, with journalists asking him questions from The Examiner, The Journal News, Yorktown News. Program schedule for Grace Notes can be found at http://www.yorktownny.org/generalpage/yorktown-government-television-program-guide
Francis T McVetty August 8, 2012 at 06:35 pm
This can't be that well thought out. It has been in the works for several years from what I remember. You mean to tell me that after many years there is NO actual plan that we, the taxpayers, can actually look at and see the "savings" ? There is only a concept? Do we really want to waste the voters time and money on a "concept". Come back to the voter when you ACTUALLY have a plan, and not just a concept!!!
Yorktown Town Hall August 8, 2012 at 07:00 pm
Please note that the "tv show," Grace Notes, was not a debate that presented opposing views of the DPW. It is, simply put, an hour long polemic on why the town board will not be holding a public hearing nor having a referendum relative to establishing a DPW.
If you want a DPW referendum on the ballot, get elected as town supervisor in 2014 and stick it on the ballot in 2016 at the end of your term which is the next time this issue can be taken up by voters. In the meantime, sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.
Francis T McVetty August 8, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Just who are you Yorktown Town Hall ? Are you a member of the town board? Are you representing any political party or special group? What is the significance of the handle?
Ros Kliban August 9, 2012 at 02:07 am
That's the point Francis, the DPW is a concept. The job of the town Board would be to implement the concept if the people , by voting, approved the concept of a DPW. To do this they would vote to no longer have an elected Highway Superintendent. The citizens for a DPW presented the concept. It is not their job to make the plan, they are not elected. The question might be in this day and age, do you want someone who has the background and knowledge from the start to do the job, or do you want someone who will takes years of on the job training to learn the job? Things are more complicated than in the past. A DPW will insure that the person responsible will have the knowledge and will be responsible to the board. The Highway Superintendent only needs to be a resident of Yorktown. The political parties will pick who they want for the job and that may not be the best person for the job. It is possible that he /she will have no qualifications other than he has, shall we say, kissed a_ _. With a DPW there is an implicit guarantee that the person will be qualified because the job will be advertised with specific requirements, they will have to be interviewed and voted on by the Board.
Bob Rohr August 9, 2012 at 02:23 am
Ros, I am sorry a referendum is not intended to explore a concept, it is to change a Law, or authorize an expenditure.
I was open to it, but I now think it is flaky. Now it should be clear why the Town Board pushed back. All the details need to be worked out before you mandate a change.
Yorktown Town Hall August 9, 2012 at 11:50 am
Mr. McVetty,
For political reasons, some people like Yorktown Hall and Yorktown Town Hall do not use their real names, choosing instead to adopt a handle. I like to think I represent an unfiltered town board opinion. However, you are fluent in local politics and keep your finger on the pulse. You can make your own determination. I don't always agree with your opinion, but I respect it and am glad you stand behind your name. You're a stand-up guy.
Ros Kliban August 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Respectfully beg to differ. Think about how laws are made in this country. Congress passes what is essentially and outline for a law and the President signs it. Then this outline is sent to the appropriate dept. and the exact ways of implementing it are written by the agency. Example the health care law. After it became law it was sent over to health and human services . Sect'y Sebelis then over saw the the writing of the rules that will lead to it implementation. I know , its mind boggling to think that the information in a 2,000 page law did not have the detailed information in it to start it's its implementation without needing further input.
Francis T McVetty August 9, 2012 at 03:09 pm
So York Town Hall , your statement "I like to think I represent an unfiltered town board opinion." means that you are a member of the Yorktown town council? If you are, why not just publish under your name. Councilman Martorano did that when he was a councilman. He had the guts to put HIS name to his opinions. I don't want to hear about being considered a whistle blower either.That won't cut it.
Francis T McVetty August 9, 2012 at 03:11 pm
Ros, they still can't decipher the 2700 page heath care bill. What does that have to do with a poorly presented and documented idea by the group wanting the DPW?
Ros Kliban August 9, 2012 at 03:55 pm
Francis, The DPW is a concept, an idea, where you would have a licensed engineer doing the job. With Mr. DiBartolo leaving who would you rather have replace him. a political choice made by party officials ( don't try to tell me we would have a choice, we haven't had one since 1995 somehow I don't see that changing ) or someone who has expertise in the area of public works and would bring all that knowledge with him on day one? Personally, I would like to have someone who comes in with that knowledge at his fingertips. Its time that Yorktown had a professional in charge of public works, we need to look to the future not the past. In fact, even if a DPW did not save that much money I would prefer it to the current system, where we could end up with someone who really does not have the knowledge and abilities to do the job and needs on the job training. Its too important to leave to chance.
NorthCountyHound August 10, 2012 at 01:54 am
The highway bosses primary job is ro keep the roads free of snow, downed trees and in good repair. It doesn't take a logoistical genius. EDB nade it thru HS and despite all his self induced problems, I have little to complain about how he performs the core functions of his job. My wife says that has long as the roads are cleared quickly and efficiently and under budget, she doesn't care how many sweet heart contracts he hands out, who he sleeps with, how much porn is on his computer etc. Bill Clinton was being regularly fellated by by a fat ugly intern in the oval office while managing to balance the budget which hasn't been done since. Alot of the things people focus on are just noise. The real issues are does he do the job well or not. Obviouslythe people of YT think he does because they vote him time and again by landslide margins. This DPW zealots simply hate him and are trying anything to embarrass him on tyhe his way out the door. I don't care for EDB but he is much better than that miserable busybody yenta Siegel, who is a joke. Stop this nonsense and get busy solving real problems.
Layla August 10, 2012 at 01:55 pm
Sure hope he does more than that for the $112,000 we pay him. Sounds more like a part time job to me. Your wife sure seems to like wasting our money. Maybe she should run for the position when it opens up. He can get away with it because he runs unapposed. Will she be as lucky? As for Clinton remember "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
Francis T McVetty August 10, 2012 at 02:22 pm
Layla, where were you when they gave him extra duties in addition to the highway supervisors job? I didn't hear you complaining about the extra positions and the extra pay either. I also didn't hear your voice when it came to the "feud" b/t the supervisor, one councilman and him. This "feud" cost the Yorktown taxpayers money. You give the man more responsibility, and rightly so more compensation and then you take it away because of a personal feud?
Now I'm going to get flamed for the following, but I don't care. In businesses and in government a women is the worst boss to have. The are petty for most part and worst of all they carry a grudge for perceived wrongs to them. If you have a disagreement with a man, you fight it out and that is it. Not so with a woman. They will remember what you were wearing, what you said to the word and worst of all, they WILL get even. There is NO forgetting with them. I have worked on several occasions with the past two female supervisors and from actual experience, know this to be a fact. Personal feelings have cost the our town money. Maybe YOU should run for highway supervisor since you know so much about the job!
Layla August 10, 2012 at 02:39 pm
HI Mr, McVetty, I was commenting on what Northecountyhound wrote. If you read what he wrote above my comment you will get it. Sorry I confused you. Layla
deena August 12, 2012 at 05:32 pm
That's so funny, Frankie. I was thinking the same thing about male bosses. A male boss is the worst thing to have. They are wrapped up in control issues and carry grudges. If you have a disagreement with a man, it winds up in a dominance battle. They always need to have the last word. They forget nothing. I have worked for many years for male bosses and find them incompetent and ego-driven, and I know this to be a fact.
Ros Kliban August 12, 2012 at 07:09 pm
HI Francis,
I'd like to ask a few questions if you don't mind. 1. From your comments you seem to be against having the town consolidate services under a DPW. Am I correct? 2. It seems you were okay with the towns' consolidation services under Mr. DiBartolo, because when he got the extra duties that is exactly what the town did. It consolidated services. Am I correct? If I am not mistaken, and here i might be, didn't he campaign for Highway Superintendent in the last election on the fact that because he was able to control more aspects of the work (CONSOLIDATE) that needed to be done for the town, he had saved the town a great deal of money? If I remember correctly he said he saved us money in the hundreds of thousands. I may not remember all the facts here because, as I said in the past, I never vote for any one running unopposed because its undemocratic and they could win by just voting for themselves. They don't need my vote. 3 If consolidation was ok under MR. DiBartolo why are you against consolidation under a DPW? It would just formalize the concept and continue it and save us money. 4. How did the "fued" you speak about cost the town money? Ros
Bruce Apar August 13, 2012 at 06:31 pm
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Evan Bray June 19, 2013 at 01:42 pm
Mr. Lachterman, You wrote "When Councilmen Bianco, Paganelli and Patel decided that theRead More Winery did not have the right to have a public hearing on their wetlands permit, they drew a line in the sand between personal interests and all business, large or small, in Yorktown." The wetland permit was NOT for the Winery. It was town land that we--the taxpayers--own. It's not "their" permit. Do you think that we should give away--for free--any town park/wetland to any business that asks. I'm not against working out an agreement whereby we charge the winery to develop parking and an outdoor cafe seating area on our (Yorktown owned) land. But you can bet your bottom dollar that I would want to codify it with a lease and charge him market rate for it. Capitalism, not communism. Those councilman made the right choice. It looked and smelled like a giveaway to a political ally of the supervisor. The winery had no inherent right to a public hearing on what we, the taxpayer, do with our land.
Jarid proudly displaying his graduation diploma and "Altruistic Act of the Year" Award
Carolyn DePaolo June 18, 2013 at 08:20 pm
Jarid is an exceptionally giving person. We are so very proud of him, today and every day. WeRead More certainly can all learn a life lesson from Jarid. Love you and we are so proud of you Jarid!
Yorktown Boy for 60yrs June 19, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Reading this made my day, it gives you hope that there are more people like Jarid in this World! IRead More can see that Jarid will be a great contributor to Society and who ever can call Jarid ther frien through life will be very lucky!!!
Lisa Buchman (Editor) June 17, 2013 at 01:45 pm
Thanks for sharing this photo. We'd love to hear more from these groups; if you'd like to startRead More blogs on Patch, which archive your posts all together and give you a great landing page on the site, please email me at LisaB@Patch.com.
Joey Cirone June 11, 2013 at 01:45 pm
Correction: The Yorktown Leo's Club raised and is giving away $12,600 this year!!
Lisa Buchman (Editor) June 13, 2013 at 09:13 am
That is fantastic! These are really nice photos - terrific young leaders at work. If you'd like toRead More set the Leo's up with a blog, they can document their service through brief write ups or photos throughout the year. Email me LisaB@Patch.com if you are interested.